Assholism

topic posted Sun, June 7, 2009 - 11:35 PM by  Geert
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We need a cure for it...
There are many people suffering from this ailment....
And it is spreading like crazy...
What is the antidote...
Any ideas..?
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Geert
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  • Re: Assholism

    Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:45 AM
    I really do not think there is a cure, its like herpes, once you got it you can't get rid of it. Of course it can go into remission, but its always there behind the veil. I think they were put here as obstacles to enlightenment and like any obstacle in the path, they can be surpassed.
    Just continue practicing the random acts of kindness. It is a remedy, but not a cure.
    • Re: Assholism

      Mon, June 8, 2009 - 9:09 AM
      I don't think anyone is an asshole. I think people often do what they have been taught is the best way to behave.

      For example, there are people who yell at you in order to get what they need. I never let this bother me, because I just figure that this person has been taught over the years that, unless he yells, no one listens to him. The best way to handle this person is to listen. It is amazing how quickly the yelling stops when the person realizes he does not have to yell to be heard.

      No one is an asshole. Assholism is not an incurable disease. Everyone has unmet needs that they strive to have met. Sometimes they choose ways to meet those needs that do not work. If you can work with that person to meet those unmet needs, the unproductive behavior ceases all by itself.

      This is true for violent, abusive, exploitative, and resentful behavior. All of it is intended to meet an unmet need. When you work with an angry, violent, or abusive person to find out what those needs really are, and work together to meet them, the behavior miraculously stops. It is surprisingly often the case that this behavior is intended to fill an unmet need simply for respect, dignity, and empowerment -- that is, to be heard.

      This has been the basis for all my community-building and peacemaking work.

      Calling someone an asshole ends the conversation. It does not begin it.

      -- Steve
      singingtotheplants.blogspot.com/
      • Re: Assholism

        Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:01 AM
        What about the words:
        "Why are you acting like an asshole.."
        or..
        "You seem to be speaking from your ass.."
        "You don't have to be an asshole about it.."

        They would be more fitting.
        As no one "is" an asshole.. but one can "act" like an asshole..

        Asshole translated in Dutch is kontgat..
        Though one never calls someone a kontgat, but klootzak instead...
        Klootzak translated in english mean ball-sack...
        Still the ball-sack is close to the asshole...
        So you know.. haha...
      • Re: Assholism

        Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:11 AM
        Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole!

        Sorry, I couldn't help myself....
        • Re: Assholism

          Mon, June 8, 2009 - 4:30 PM

          "Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole! "

          Not in New York.
          • Re: Assholism

            Mon, June 8, 2009 - 5:12 PM
            this has been very healing for my assholistic complaints.,i think everyone needed a little discharge into the humour hour.,been a lot of patience tried,and lessons going on.,i gotta say one thing about this thread.,my hats of to Steve and his balanced compassion.,your a shaman of the most high.,Bravo~~
  • Re: Assholism

    Mon, June 8, 2009 - 9:21 AM
    human culture right now seems to be the reason. it is breeding new strains of this disorder all the time. to get away from its grip, one has to first admit "I'm an asshole" and then "I don't want to be an asshole". Awareness has to come from within, man!
    • Re: Assholism

      Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:06 AM
      there is a cure for assholes called assholectomy.,you gently pull the victums head out of their ass.,gently wipe the shit out of their eyes and a kick in the butt while saying the magic mantra--look around-this is real--sometimes you have to do it twice.,.,and listen up assholes-and you know who you are., listen to Steve--you dont exist--
  • Re: Assholism

    Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:22 AM
    i come across people acting total assholes lately.
    because i didn't do things THEIR way, and they react like spoiled babies.
    but in reflection, i reallise that i invited it upon myself through. if i have known beforehand that the people would react like spoiled children, i would not have invited them to express their opinion. I treated them as equals but now that i think about it, treating them like equals just allow them to disrespect me. I realise i am better than them and so i should not treat them like equals, insted i should make it clear how i expect to be treated and have them come to my level instead of trying to go to their level.
    • Re: Assholism

      Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:27 AM
      and opinions are just like assholes sometimes.,everybody has one-just some are bigger than others.,and they are masters of disguise.,one day your friend.,next day-well---
    • Re: Assholism

      Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:28 AM
      That would be assertive...
      Let's keep a distinction between assertiveness and assholism..
      Because there is a difference in acting...
      Like Steve said.. to meet a need in ways of acting...
      This can be done in numerous ways..
      Instead of shying away, you can be assertive, without being an asshole..

      But how do you know, if no one tells you, you're acting like an asshole..
      Maybe I am an asshole but don't know it...
      • Re: Assholism

        Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:34 AM
        if your questioning your asshole state of mind.,theres plenty of hope for you-hee-hee.,humor really helps when your dealing with analy maladjusted people--
        • Re: Assholism

          Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:58 AM
          Yeah.. that's true..

          But I see some relation between loneliness and assholism..
          Not loneliness in being alone without others..
          But being alone 'with' others that are ass-lickers...
          Look at the dictators and people in power..
          Most of them are very lonely.. but they have their dogs by their side that follow every instruction and will say 'yes' to any question or demand.. Quite a scary construct if you think of it.. It's what happens to almost all people in a place of power.. They attract all kinds of scavengers that will try to maintain the position of the asshole in place, so they can lick it and feed of it... so to speak..

          Strange metaphores..
          But I'm on to something...I think... Haha...
      • Re: Assholism

        Mon, June 8, 2009 - 12:00 PM
        Geert, a person is an asshole when they don't respect you.
        anybody can explain their own opinion and yet remain respectful of the other persons standpoint.
        when the other person then takes your respect, tramples all over it and starts calling you stupid, then that is assholistic behaviour.

        I think a person can tell if they are acting like an asshole, i know when i am acting an ass, I am capable of it and i know when i am doing it. I try not to do it because to act that way, you reap what you sow. and i don't like feeling that way.
        it's part of ego, if you feel you are being slandered, you might feel like you need to discredit the other person, so you try to reduce them in the eyes of others. that's a defensive form of assholism. aggressive though... I don't know what hte reasons are for that. i guess aggressive asholism is a result of already feeling like an outcast and trying to get into everybody's sights.
        i see.... it's jealousy.
        • Re: Assholism

          Mon, June 8, 2009 - 12:38 PM
          Retentive linguistic conctipation is caused by bad programing' plus a big dose of righteious ego'

          Cure'

          A good defrag and re-write with an update running system and kill the rollback would no go amiss :)))

          Bliss

          Nobuoni +
          • Re: Assholism

            Mon, June 8, 2009 - 4:10 PM
            anal retention can be cured.,just gotta open the mind and take a big dump--probably same thing nobouni said--
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              Re: Assholism

              Mon, June 8, 2009 - 5:17 PM
              Was there some drama that I missed? What happened to the posts that went away? I hope I didn't bug anyone out to much.

              Will someone pm me with the skinny.

              Sorry if I was an idiot in some way.
              • Re: Assholism

                Mon, June 8, 2009 - 5:30 PM
                none of this was aimed at you CG.,your a fine person.,we are just shadow boxing to relax--you could say.,.,just because someone says asshole--dont say your sorry--unless you mean it.,relax -your amongst friends-+
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                  Re: Assholism

                  Mon, June 8, 2009 - 6:17 PM
                  Thanks Pickerrick,
                  but I meant what's up with the other topics that were going on and got deleted. The were from KKP about bad white people etc. I was posting in them and thought maybe I caused someone to blow a fuse.

                  Cheers
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                    Re: Assholism

                    Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:01 PM
                    <Klootzak translated in english mean ball-sack... >
                    Hey Geert, in French, Balzac wrote The Human Comedy
                    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_C...ie_humaine
                    the central premise: that mankind is outgrowing it's need for Assholes like Napoleon!!

                    Maybe this Klootzak got a Klue!~
              • Re: Assholism

                Mon, June 8, 2009 - 6:15 PM
                cg, i was wondering myself where it vanished too... If you find out please let me know..
                just plain curious...
                Leanne
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                  Re: Assholism

                  Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:05 PM
                  If you want to find something like this ,Google it.With the right key words and date.When
                  you find the thread you are looking for punch cache ,....Ya there was/is some good stuff
                  happening there.
                  http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:fpgnCKQy5sUJ:shamanism.tribe.net/thread/79ebbd5b-2033-4688-9441-5e9bda7e1d92+Shamanism+tribe+rik+6+7+2009&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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                    Re: Assholism

                    Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:11 PM
                    The address works if you cut & paste it.
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                    Re: Assholism

                    Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:32 PM
                    Thanks rik,

                    That was cool. He must have deleted the threads himself I guess. Sometimes a thread starts out rough, but then people start to reach for something of value and it can become helpful and informative.

                    Oh well.
                    • Re: Assholism

                      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 11:02 AM
                      Only an asshole could judge another as an asshole.

                      As individuals understand the nature of their judgements and their individual need to control others instead of self the tendency of transgressions declines.
                      • Re: Assholism

                        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 2:33 PM
                        the logic is unclear.
                        after all, I can judge a ball to be a ball whilst i am not myself a ball.

                        needs elaborating.
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                    Re: Assholism

                    Tue, June 9, 2009 - 11:04 AM
                    rik' it says the link is blocked by google'

                    Blessings

                    Nobuoni +
                    • Re: Assholism

                      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 12:09 PM
                      Also known as Assholishness, Assholedom, Assholianism.

                      But not Assholedisestablishmentarinism.

                      An asshole by any other name would smell as sweet.
                      • Re: Assholism

                        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 12:20 PM
                        And one of my favorites...

                        'Ass-holistic'

                        Assholistic: the tendency to ascribe fantastic claims about any product's (supposed) health benefits based on unsubstantiated claims while garnering an excessive, often prohibitive price for said product by slapping the label(s) 'organic,' or 'natural' on the label, in the name or incorporated in the advertisement.
                        • CG
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                          Re: Assholism

                          Tue, June 9, 2009 - 4:26 PM

                          Assaholics annonymous!

                          A 12 step program for people who are in the grip of a power, (their ass) that is greater than themselves.
                        • Re: Assholism

                          Tue, June 9, 2009 - 10:09 PM
                          Assholicity: the ability of a bullshit idea or theory to change, morph or be altered faster than fact and/or data can refute the initial claim.
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                      Re: Assholism

                      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 6:15 PM
                      Whatever,i've noted this once before,the cashe thread closes after a while.?
                      So if you want a link or reference from something like that,best to go for it,
                      and save as a html page.
  • Re: Assholism

    Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:01 PM
    You can't change the asshole. The asshole has to want to change.
    • Re: Assholism

      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:22 PM
      prayer works--if you just get them to pray for love``unconditional'kind--if nothing works for them.,then pray for them---remote healing.,best we can do sometimes--i pray all the assholes find themselves a better way--god bess ALL-
      • Re: Assholism

        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 5:25 PM
        with some people, an effecive form of prayer is boxing.
        if an asshole gets floored there is more chance of them thinking about why it happened.
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    Re: Assholism

    Tue, June 9, 2009 - 6:46 PM
    OK,..Storytime!(this is fer real,...totally nutty story).Years ago i worked for a manufacturing outfit,
    One of our products was a small box,it had two buttons on the front,and a thing like a finger on the
    back.If you pushed one button,it would go zzzip...,zzzip...,zzzip,...and the finger would curle up,tight,
    just like a real finger.If you pushed the other button it would go POP!,...the finger would release from
    it's curled up position,and straighten out,(they were implants)We made them in various sizes,some of
    them for people who had lost their Assholism.So if yer feelin the least bit selfrightious here,...well,maby
    you should just thank goodness if ya got some.

    • Re: Assholism

      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:00 PM
      and the moral of the story--?went right over my shoulder.,not going to puzzle too deep though.,i gotta go pick some salad--i have way too much spinach--boy.,what an asshole for planting so much~~
      • Re: Assholism

        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 8:14 PM
        and im off the attack.,my misery went away.,miraculous cure and i hope in my heart that this did not injure anyone.,that no one take what i had to say persanolly.,and im done shooting my mouth off.,Let The Healing Begin--for we are the providers of Peace--Aho--Mitakuye Oyasin--
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    Re: Assholism

    Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:21 PM
    notice how many replies this one topic has compared to the others? what do all of you think?
    • Re: Assholism

      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 10:13 PM
      peeple act like asshole a lot.
      even if we are not talk about the same scenario, everybody come across asshole at some point during their day to day.
      • CG
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        Re: Assholism

        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 10:21 PM

        If you didn't have one you'd be really unhappy...
        • Re: Assholism

          Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:22 AM
          A while ago, my delightful grandchildren came to visit, and climbed up on my lap, saying, "Grampa, grampa, tell us a story" — all except for Avi, who doesn't say much, because, by the time he gets around to saying something, his two older sisters have already said it.

          So I told them a story I first heard at a campfire in the Grand Staircase-Escalante Wilderness. I have since learned that a similar story is told by the great storyteller Johnny Moses, but I heard my version first, and my version is shorter. I said to my wonderful grandchildren, "All right, my moppets, I will tell you the story of coyote and the assholes."

          Back when Creator first made the earth, all the creatures were very happy with the new world — its blue skies, clear waters, trees and deserts, lakes and oceans. But they soon noticed that Creator had somehow forgotten to give them assholes. This was not a problem for a few days, but eventually the situation became grave, and all the creatures went to Creator. "Uh, Creator," they said. "We really like your creation and everything, but ... well, you forget to give us assholes, and things are beginning to back up." Creator realized that he had to finish up the creation, so he started to make assholes for all the creatures — big ones, tiny ones, wrinkly ones, bald ones, hairy ones. And he asked coyote to take the fresh damp assholes and hang them up on a line to dry, and then the next day to hand them out to all the creatures.

          So the next day coyote took the dried assholes and handed them out to all the creatures, who let out a big ... uh, sigh of relief. Suddenly coyote realized that, in all the excitement, he had forgotten to ask Creator to make an asshole for him. What to do? Then he saw that there was still one asshole hanging on the line. This one belonged to dog, but dog had, of course, found a nice soft patch of grass and had slept through the whole ... uh, entire thing. So coyote stole dog's asshole and put it on.

          When dog woke up, and saw there was no asshole for him, his distress increased, and he went to Creator, asking for help. "This will teach you to miss meetings," said Creator. "I can make an asshole for you, but there will be a price." "Anything," said dog. "But please hurry."

          So Creator made an asshole just for dog. But to this day, dogs worry about the situation. So now, every time two dogs meet, they have to check each other to make sure each one still has an asshole.

          "Thank you, grampa," said my wonderful grandchildren. "We see now why you are so wise."

          -- Steve
          singingtotheplants.blogspot.com/
    • Re: Assholism

      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 11:45 PM
      "notice how many replies this one topic has compared to the others? what do all of you think?"

      People like saying the word ass...
      The word appears 128 times in this thread so far...
      Maybe the use of the word asshole is also a form of assholism...
      But if it is shouted into nothingness and is not directed towards anybody it is merely an act of anger-release..


  • Re: Assholism

    Wed, June 10, 2009 - 12:09 AM
    Okay you guys, I have many years experience, I know it backwards and forwards. You could say I'm an expert. So please take what I say into consideration. Gratitude is the true antidote. Be grateful.

    Check yourself, do you feel entitled most of the time? Then you've got it and you've only to think how fortunate you are and be thankful. Believe me, you'll hear the chorus of heavenly hosts! lol You are now humble.

    Works like magic.
    • Re: Assholism

      Wed, June 10, 2009 - 12:25 PM
      I've always thought Grace can cut assholism down like a scythe in a hay field.
      • Re: Assholism

        Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:27 PM
        aha-ha.,steve makes the best storyteller.,thats a keeper.,going to have to remember that for the camfire-i have 3 grandaughters--coyote and the assholes--im still chuckling.,boy,.i would love to take you camping steve~
        • Re: Assholism

          Wed, June 10, 2009 - 4:35 PM
          I liked the dried assholes on a rope.. haha...
          Imaginative... .
          • Re: Assholism

            Thu, June 11, 2009 - 3:55 PM
            Nice imagery there Steve' good stuff :)))

            Blessings

            Nobuoni +
            • Re: Assholism

              Thu, June 11, 2009 - 4:03 PM
              i havent had an asshole for days.,or the need for one,,no craving.,i dont miss it a bit.,.,mayby im cured--i think.,
              • Re: Assholism

                Fri, June 12, 2009 - 11:48 AM
                Oh c'mon you're using the asspatch!

                you can't fool us.
                • Re: Assholism

                  Fri, June 12, 2009 - 1:59 PM
                  This part of the Human Condition we all Suffer from when we are Unconcious and stuck in our ego's.AS a Lower chakra issue and North and South American Indigenous Indian Shaman Practice have Chakras Classification discribing Energy Fields.AS a Lower Chakra Issue there are Remedies for this,especially when myself or Others are Stuck or Traped in this state.Ist we all have Assholes it serves a Purpose.On the positve side its purpose is Elimanation,getting rid of Toxins,Waste products,Constipation is not a Diserable State.There is a Body/Mind connection here.As I let Go Physically and Physiologically I can also let go Psychologically and Emotionally Negativity and False Belief Systems that Make me Sick and do not promote Health and Well being in myself and others.Being Anal Retainive is a serious problem to be Stuck in.

                  Now how do I deal with the Assholes out there.1st Premise in Shamanism is about Power,Getting your Power Back,Being in your Power.If your Dreamwalker,your power express itself in Compassion and Kindness,Healing and Forgiveness,If your a Skinwalker your power express itself From Fear,Deciet,Lies,Hate,Violence,Abuse.

                  Hopely you are are operating as a DreamWalker.Karmic Law of the Universe you throw the Boomerang of Compassion and Kindness,Healing and Forgiveness.This will come back and Bless You.Operating from the Skinwalker state can be Disasterist and ultimately leads to self Suffering and Pain and Distruction of Self.

                  The 2nd aspect About Shamanism is,"there is no Such Thing as Victum when you are in your Power.If there is a Asshole Present, the Gift in this is they are a Teacher for us and There purpose is to Wake us up from our Unconciousness,Ignorance,and Stupitity.what did I do to atract this asshole.what is coming up inside me that I don't Like or feel Uncomfortable about.Wow I get Look at my own Shit.The Stuff I can Be more Aware of and Now Transform and Learn from for own Personal Evolution.They are Teachers for Us.If I cry Wolf,I will get a Wolf.If I cry Asshole I will get a Asshole.We are so Powerfull we get what we get Positive Affirmation or Negative.Its more fun to play the Game of Magic From Intention and a High Level of Awareness.

                  Subnote:What Happens out there mirrors whats inside me.The World we see Mirrors Us.I get to Look at the Asshole in myself,Wow!

                  Am I at the effect of the Universe or am I in my Power creating My Universe fromDreamscape,ie.Lucid Dreaming,Dream Yoga,etc.Dreaming is so important to Shamanism.I am a DreamWalker I am in my Power.

                  Now as a DreamWalker how do I with Compassion and Non-Violence WakeUp and Support in a Kind way Support a Asshole to Evolove and Realize ther Humanity and they are a Child of the Universe.This is a Challenge and We can Set Bounderies for a Win/Win and Mutual Satisfaction and Mutual Respect,Namaste.The Devine in Me aknowledges the Divine in Them(Asshole).Remember we were once Assholes.

                  I do This by example We do this by Demonstrating Love,Compassion,Kindness,Healing and Forgiveness.For those who are Parents you aready do this for your Children.They learn from your Example.Hopefully I am Walking the Talk and not just Talking.Most Assholes out there are Children that Have not GrownUp.Its about Parenting your InnerChild.A lot of Assholes out ther Have unresolve Trauma and past Pain and suffering they Carry for years.Perhaps they are in Your face Because The Great Spirit and the Ancestor brought them to you why?Because You are a Shaman and a Loving,Compassionate HumanBeing and you Shine The Light,There Behavior is a Cry for Help.We can Hold the Space By our Precious Precence.This is a Gift.Remember when someone was Prescent for You and the Gift they gave you.

                  A shamanistic Practice taught to me by my Lama,Teacher,Friend,Kalu Rimpoche was Tonglen.We Shamans can Turn Black Karma into White Karma.This is Most Compassionate and Powerfull.I recommend Tonglen.I also recomend Intentional Rekie you give them Energy as a Gift from the Universe of energy in your Heart and Unlimited Supply of Loving Energy that will never run out.Then we teach them how to tap into the Source to meet there Needs and someday they can Help others,Pass it On.Kalu was Instramental in Me turning away from the Darkside of Being a SkinWalker.He helped come out of the Darkness into the Light.He helped me to WakeUp.Now I am a DreamWalker and LightBearer.Now I practice Love,Compassion,Kindness,Healing and Forgiveness.This is How I deal with Assholes,I treat them Like Children who have not grown up and I be The Power,I be the Shaman,I be Buuda.
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                    Re: Assholism

                    Fri, June 12, 2009 - 2:22 PM
                    that is a most kind and awakening call.,thanks for your wisdom light words.,this gives me hope.,for the inner child,asshole.,.,im growing away from and learning the path of intuitive healing.,and you have it,compassion is must have for healing.,thanks again Spreading Eagle.,+
                    • Re: Assholism

                      Fri, June 12, 2009 - 5:12 PM
                      yes, many thanks spreading eagle. this was a most enlightening read.
                      it is true. it is our appointed task to set the example and also erect appropriate boundaries.
  • Re: Assholism

    Mon, June 15, 2009 - 8:51 PM
    everyone is our mirror.
    • Re: Assholism

      Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:12 PM
      but if everyone is our mirror then I'm a total asshole...
      • Re: Assholism

        Mon, June 15, 2009 - 10:48 PM
        i struggle with this one too..... i realize that everything here is a reflection from within, however! when encountering the asshole we need to be more aware of our ego defense reactions. i realize that we are to learn from all the beings and people in our lives. and sometimes we keep on running into certain types of people and situations because we need to learn something. either how to respond better, or how to have a better attitude about life etc... perhaps i am more of an asshole than i think! though i always try to be mindful in my interactions and people do appreciate it.
        i think it's best to just not 'react' to the asshole. but to calmly question their choice of behaviour. sometimes u have to let them run their freak out course. to stay calm really brings quite a contrast. it makes their behaviour stand out more to them. bringing awareness to the situation is always good. not by labelling or judging the person however.
        compassion and patience always...
        in the end.... we always have the choice to walk away.

        soooo much luv ;^)

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