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"Spirituality and money do not well together. This is happening all over the world. The big vampire that rules the world.
The only black magic is the magic to use the spirituality to become rich.
It is as the same thing wrong making love with someone just for money and not for love.
This is treating energy wrong. Energy is holy. Energy comes from God and his the holy spirit and should never be used wrong.
People should not become greedy but find believe in religioun. Religioun is the proper way to deal with Spirit. You can go to a church or a holy Temple and pray and kneel down before God. Praying does help. But not before you have done it, you know what it is, even better, is to pray for each other. Pray for your brothers and sisters and let them pray for you and the world.
This is for free and all are allowed to bow to the feet of God.
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connie"
The only black magic is the magic to use the spirituality to become rich.
It is as the same thing wrong making love with someone just for money and not for love.
This is treating energy wrong. Energy is holy. Energy comes from God and his the holy spirit and should never be used wrong.
People should not become greedy but find believe in religioun. Religioun is the proper way to deal with Spirit. You can go to a church or a holy Temple and pray and kneel down before God. Praying does help. But not before you have done it, you know what it is, even better, is to pray for each other. Pray for your brothers and sisters and let them pray for you and the world.
This is for free and all are allowed to bow to the feet of God.
posted by:
connie"
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Re: something I read
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 2:05 PMin my country, money is required for life.
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 2:07 PMif spirituality and money do not go together, then i have to choose. either i do not have spirituality and i live, or i choose spirituality and i die.
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 4:25 PMHi Kalona. The world is full of fools and people who prey on them but, people have to have free will to make mistakes. Free will is sacred and God given. Saying that the only black magic is the magic to use spirituality to become rich is complete bullcrap and indicates a lack of wisdom on several levels. So, whatever else the person says is suspect. They probably have some issues surrounding money and like to teach and are too arrogant to know that there is something they need to learn. Making love for money is another case of needing to have free will. It is a victimless crime so, there really is no crime. Puritanical brainwashing is why we even say such nonsense. Two hundred years ago people married at the age of 13 or so. Society says people shouldn't have sex before marriage and that should be at least in the 18 year old range or so. Without tender embrace a person becomes neurotic. It's no big surprise to me to see we've had a rise in crime, neurosis and the resulting drug abuse. If prostitution is wrong then so is alimony. Why should anyone get half of what someone else has because they were married to them? There are plenty of unscrupulous people who marry for money and I'm against rewarding them. If there are children involved or a lack of any infidelity then alimony would be proper. I remember a comedian that said that instead of getting married again that he'd prefer to find a woman he didn't like and give her a house.(lol) Spirit exists outside of religion. Religion only provides a path to follow. Many people who think of themselves as religious never step foot on the path provided. They stand back and blow kisses at their religion and tell people so they'll be impressed. They develop arrogance from the information and never gain any knowledge, wisdom or humility by putting it to practice. I have to agree about praying for others but, why does it have to end there? Praying for others is a service so, service is the real issue and can manifest in other ways. Aloha, Lamaku.
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:22 PMI've chosen (or had chosen for me) a path that makes deep spirituality and healing work my life. Well, that and photography.
I'd do charge for my work, though I'm really really really really far from getting rich on it. Why do i charge money for my time and heart and healing?
My landlord expects money for rent, many others expect money from me in exchange for their services and goods: my mechanic, dentist, food store, clothing store, gas station, herb suppliers, needle suppliers, shoe stores, computer shops, camera stores, stationary stores, airlines, taxi drivers, telephone company, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. None of them would exchange their goods and services with me out of the goodness of their hearts.
So my choice then is if I do my work in a moneyless manner, I either have to quite doing it full time and get a full time job and squeeze in a few hours here and there to work with people or I find another calling. Or I charge a fair amount for my work. Can't think of any other options. Well, I could go homeless and try to do healing work. But after a few days without a shower or shave, I doubt that anyone would want me to work with them. -
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:36 PMWell said. Thank you. I fail to be able to fathom how a healer could ever get rich. The ones who are rich are the spiritual leaders with followings. I wouldn't put them in a healer category per se. Cheers, Lamaku.
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:54 PMi think that it is doable to have money and be a spiritual being... i am leary if people are way extavagant and have tons of money... because coming from a healing and spiritual perspective i can't help but wonder why they're not using that money to better the state of the world and it's inhabitants.. considering that there is so much poverty in the world. living in the western/european world we r all very blessed and fortunate beyond all lot of peoples comprehension. the simple fact that we have a roof over our heads that doesn't leak, a house that is warm that the wind does not blow thru, adequate and accessable healthcare and enough food to eat, is truly fortunate. considering the state of many 3rd world countries.. many of whom r exploited just so we can live the way we do.
it is good to have some money to pay the bills. it is good to be always mindful of where our clothes were made and our food grown and how. especially how the land and the people were treated in the process.... to be spiritual we need to be empathetic and compassionate i hope! be mindful of respect on all levels. ecological and social impact of where our goods that we consume come from is important i think especially for spiritual health and growth.
if people become money hungry and greedy.. than yes i do think that that can be spiritually damaging and impede spiritual growth.
i've noticed that some of the people i met in mexico who have what we would consider nothing. a shamble shack with the holes in the walls. no health care... seemed so happy and giving! close family bonds and yes they were active in their spiritual practice. they were so loving. love. when i came back to the city in canada... so many people who have so much yet they don't smile. depression is a huge western epidemic... in a land where we have so much. and so much luxury too. though our family and community bonds seem to be not quite as strong for some reason.. perhaps that is part of the reason for so much depression.. maybe the lack of sunlight too.
Reverence and compassion.... a lot of people no longer have a meaningful spiritual practice.. a lot of people don't know what to think.. and perhaps for some money has become their god.. which is sad. they do seem to be the 'evil' people who rule the world thru greedy bloodthirsy corporations. they have forgotten how to see spirit.
certain practices of certain religions can do more damage than good.. i have some family that grew up roman catholic... and the guilt and fear that was bread into them.. it is truly scary. not to say that all roman catholic pracitice is bogous.. it just depends if one can develop a connection and a way to experience divinity, the sacred, the mystery within that sect. whether they have learned to go beyond the ritual and have the experiece.
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:58 PMhey rick..
i appreciate your post... i practice reiki and herbal medicine.. and i can't ever find it in me to charge for my services either. living in the country where i do though. we do do trades though it doesn't pay the bills either. i work another job to make money and it seems that we're always just making it .. healing work is just something i love to do. and if someone can't pay for it that's fine... maybe they can help with the plants in the garden!
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:56 PMSome are true healers..others whores..such is life.
Healing is NOT a service...bless yo u meme
Rich man's war.the wholeworld is tainted
John Trudell's album AKA Graffiti man Rich Man's War Jesse Ed Davis, John Trudell John Trudell (5:51)
(native American music plays and drums stay through the song)
SP?) native American's chant
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey yay oye
Rich man's war
Industrial streets
class lines
Money Talks
turning language to paper pieces
Rich man's war
Free man society
raging in violent insecurity
Nuclear man Nuclear woman
Unclear how to act
Rich man's war
Persings cruising Europe
America
Russia
Governmental nuclear views
Industrial allies cutting the world
As though they cannot see blood flowing
Rich man's war
Central America bleeding
Wounds same as Palestine and Harlem
Three mile island in El Salvador
Pine Ridge in Belfast
Rich man's war
The poor
Starving for food
Starving for land
Starving for peace
Starving for real
Rich man's war
Attacking human
Attacking Earth
Attacking tomorrow
Rich man's war
Thinking of always war
Thinking of always war
With machines for ancestors
New inborn generations
chemical umbilical cords are only wiring
and your electrical process....?
Human lives
Burnt offerings to the god of Greed
With lies for ancestors
There is no truth in some futures
Rumors of mines feeding souls to the control machine
Sacrifice ritual for the Profit of Technology
With isolation for ancestors
There is only the present
Bought by the credit material uses
Forging chains binding you to destruction
Compliments of your deities
The industrial priests
(SP?) native American's chant again)
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey yay oye
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey yay oye
No more than NEON FLASH
Trying hiding in eon masks
Have to face who we really are
At some point we have no choice
Distant star distant light
In real world we are Human Being
In shadow of real world we are being human
Neon mask for neon flash
Distant thunder distant clouds
Passion rain
Drenched in possessions
what we take is hard to do
What we do is hard to take
Someones are crazy or maybe we take turns
Dreaming about some life we say could have been different
But it wasn't because we weren't
No matter what it turns out the same
Lots of things we said were not true
Industrial stories in an electrical instant
Neon mask neon flash neon flash
Thing is niolistic desires
Civilize gone insane
Didn't imagine it turning like this
Some things start good and go bad
Something get bad and stay bad
We are caught between living a lie
Or not living at all
Eliminated choices lost in dreams we let go
Memories we are never got to have
Something to think about
Waking up in industrial society
Surrounded by angry days
Going through emotions of not being
Wanting the best but not expecting it
Surviving paid for in dreams
Feeling like a world alone
Serving God with the Devil to pay
feeling like some thing in no place
What goes on in hell anyway?
Thing is it has to do with heart
We have to understand what hearts are for
Before we can get back
To heaven or paradise
By the power in our mind
(SP?) native American's chant again)
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey yay oye
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
Hey Yah ey yay hey yah hey
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 9:01 PMKahuna, unlike Takeshi..I do not claim to not being able to read long things..but when it is less than I have come to expect from an educated person and this reacures numerous times on numerous posts..I simply speed read it like a freshman paper..because blah blah blah..mor about me and I am so f'n wise and all powerful..blahblah blah kahuna (pay no attention to the man behind the green curtain)..so people are small because they are born small..but are huge gigantic minds spirits and hearts..some people are born small because the creator has a great sense of humor and karma is funny..I give up..you all should have a nickel and dime pnis fight..god bless all the real healers..and the devil charge you all for a drink of water in hell who charged for a healing..my opinion..like my asshole, very small..1 in 6 billion -
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 9:24 PMHi Kalona. I find that when people lose their temper and throw accusations around it's because they are in the wrong and it makes them angry. This is where you are. Completely and utterly wrong. You have no basis for your accusations. It's how you feel so it must be correct, huh? Charles Manson feels he was correct and did nothing wrong. Maybe we should let him out of jail then. I have problems too. I need a dentist and can't afford one. I have some unknown problem and wake up everyday with my hands frozen. They stay that way for about an hour after I wake up. The only way someone could believe that healers should work for free is if they were suffering from brainwashing. Healing isn't service? I'm beginning to believe that you need to be on a drug that will help you think things through because most of what you say is wrong or it's ass kissing someone to fake your appreciation. Maybe I'll just ignore you from now on. Sincerely, Lamaku. -
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 3:35 AMHi Kahuna,
Sorry, normally i am in silence, but today i want share my feelings: if someone it's wrong or angry, and "you" or "me" not, and "we are healers", it's not "our" work to make feel another human being worse, we "need" be respectful, at first with us, and send compassion, understanding, empathy and good energy, It's our work like a healers, isn't?
And if someone it's wrong and make accusations, it's not our "trouble", is the problem of the others.
We don't need to continue the way, follow up, we need to know stop, and send healing-light, like a "good healers", don't you feel the same?
And my intuition tells me that in this Tribe, anyone is like Charles Manson, i feel is a strong comparison, and infact, the comparisons are never healthy. We learn sometimes about our pain or errors, and is enough.
Everybody is different, and have a unique story, some jurneys are more difficult and longer than others...
It's nice take care about what we seed with our words. Words are powerfull, to heal or to hurt.
We are One, we are like stars, we do our small-big work to create the Universe, i like take care about what i do with my big family.
Something important , you wrote: " The only way someone could believe that healers should work for free, is if they were suffering from brainwashing "
Well Kahuna.... i have Good-News for you ! ! ! : I'm not suffering from the brainwashing, and better, i 'm not the only one here!
and i don't charge any cent if someone ask me to help to heal himself.
People ask me like a healer, my degrees said i am, i know perfect the law of abundance, to give-to take,
I don't like call myself "healer". I am a student, and i will be forever, thanks never ends.
Always i ask for something that people usually have,to give, i ask for their best, and they bring me many kind of gifts, offerings, barters, somes are funnys, some are delicious, some help my walls, my teeth, some save my life too, and i accept happy! This are MY charges.
And like the wise words of Memengwaa "...maybe they can help with the plants in the garden! ".
Or they learn to have their owns plants...in the right moment, when they will be are ready.
I am very rich ! and i am altruist too, as many of my teachers was and are, many of my teachers have not charged for give me
their knowledge, I do the same, and to me, works, i choose my way but i respect if anothers charge.
How am i rich without charge ? i hear many times at day : "thank you , I love you, you are an angel, you give me the oportunity
to change my life", sweety blah blah blahs to feed my ego 8(
I know i am just their mirror, yes, i have love to give, I take and give many hugs, we share many hands and kisses, i see new open hearts, many clear tears of hope, and many big smiles to help take off some part of the big drama. Sweet. This are more of my charges. Yummy.
But i'm not an angel, i'm not perfect, only i try to give my best, my own experiences, i share therapies, techniques, includded in silence and distance.
And i see how many lifes change, not for me, was because someone trust and choose to open his soul, choose to change, choose to be responsible with his life, responsible with his health, is not me, just i use my tools, my good intentions, the love to come back to love themselves. This make me feel rich of bliss, and feels like a wink in my path, step by step.
Maybe if we share another way to feel the happines and gratitude with simple things, they start to feel bettter, infact to be more healthy, because they begin to feel how powerful they are inside.
And maybe, because the Universe give me another work to make money, all that i don't charge come from my other work ,
But trust me, I had to pay a high price for my kind of life, many tears, and I renounce to many things, but sometimes i like to use high-heels.
Now, i feel tottally blessed and in gratitude, and i work on myself a lot, to be ready to give something, to come back all that I have received.
Usually i live in South America, but i travel to lear about human beings, i know the most poor countries in the world and the most rich, and
i saw this: when more rich is the country, need more things to be happy ... and more brainwashing is the people.
I had the blessed oportunity to live with the Urus indians, the first time 15 years ago, on a floating island, without anything,
life is more simple , troubles too, and they barter fish for fruit, they heal the ocean, the sky, the food. Free. Simple.
The same was in the most poor places in India.
You ask : "Healing isn't service?", not, in many places healing it's a service from the honor, it's a mission.
And i saw an universal language thats works there, and arround the world : LOVE , is equal wherever.
Maybe Kahuna, Love is the drug that your hands and Kalona needs, i want some too 8-)
Love is a service???..... why not?! to me is a chain, a chance, an offering, is a Sacred Blessing.
Healing-Love to you <3, to Kalona <3 and for Everybody arround <3 like a chain <3 yes? <3
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 9:12 AMEveryone has something to teach and learn..true enough..but I would like Kahuna to STOP trying to teach at least me..I come from a traditional native american spirituality that is not in agreement with what he is constantly trying to Push down my throat.
I have made this clear to him but he persists...so yes he gets tough love...just leave me alone Kahuna..I think your a spiritual bully. I have said it in post before and I will say it again...if your spirtuality works for you..good. I am happy for you..truly..but don't try to convert me..it will never happen.
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 9:22 AMHi *G A I A*. I appreciate your kind heart. There are dynamics you may be unaware of being a novice. It may be different when tribal people get healing from their shamans or medicine men. However, there is almost always a small gift even if an outsider is ignorant of it. It may be tobacco, a meal, an animal or an exchange of some sort. The subconscious needs to feel as though it earned the healing. It can be a token gift like a coin but, something needs to be given back. In some cases, the healing may be discarded and the unhealthy issue may return. I mentioned Charles Manson to make a memorable comparison not to insult anyone. I've spent hours trying to help Kalona and I get spit on in return. In person Kalona may be gracious, thoughtful and hospitable but, on Tribe he seems arrogant and dismissive. How long does one tolerate an unruly child before he's sent to his room without dinner? I still love Kalona. I just don't like him very much. He's earned it. I take a vow every year to confront evil that I encounter on my path. Some of Kalona's remarks have come from an evil place in his heart so, I've been confronting that with my knowledge. I've also sent him my love and prayers. If you want to know more about how I think and operate I have a blog at; huna-shamanism.blogspot.com/ I'm currently writing a piece on appreciation. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku. -
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:42 PMCome to the battlefield armed for war.
Or come without your sword.
Better yet, come naked.
There is no battle.
I vow in this moment to confront evil with love.
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 4:44 AMElfin, sweet idea, there is not battle ,
and with everibody naked, maybe they forget why they fight 8-)
I vow with you, is with Love <3
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 4:33 AMHi Kahuna,
Thank you to your answer, you are right , maybe are dynamics that maybe i am unaware, yes it's possible, i don't know if this is because i am "novice" , or just because i am a human being. And in some kind of dynamics i don't want to be involved, and is my conscious desition .
I want apologize my poor English , and maybe i wasn't clear in my post, but i was in contact with shamans or medicine mens, i wrote this in my post , and maybe i wasn't so clear, but that i accept any kind of exchage, and i saw and learned this with shamans too, i understand about how this work at subconsious level. Maybe read my post one more time, with patience about my errors from my english. Sorry.
I don't told you that you insult anyone, just one of the things that i learned was about to not bring negative energy, citing a killer, even with the mind, because we don't attract good energy arround, is better if we focus our energy on to attract the best. For us and everybody.
Kahuna, you said : " I've spent hours trying to help Kalona and I get spit on in return" ....
Kalona ask you to your help???? because in my humble learning , if someone don't ask us to help, is necesary be carefully , because maybe we only become a more closed persone and we are interrupting the healing process that needs his karma to finish the process in a natural way.
It's different when someone ask to be healed, the half part it's done, because when someone it's open to be health it's because recognize that have a "trouble" or a pain. And start to be conscious is a good sign, the first step .
Ask your self why you insist triying to change and to help someone that spit you, someone that you find arrogant and dismissive, someone that don't want you to change him??? Please ask yourself WHY you do this???
And you said: " I just don't like him very much. He's earned it ".... well, in some kind of level his soul know this, and it's more close to your help, obviouslly! I don't feel that anyone deserves anything in a hostil way, if you don't like someone who don't look at you, at first of all, just the feeling is not good for you, to give one step to the other side, maybe is our best sign of Love and Humility, recognize our impotence.
But it's possible you ask to his soul for permission, and maybe in silence send love and healing enegy, without confrontation,
and i know you do this.
To confrontation, to disagreements or to fight, is necessary 2 or more. If you aren't infront, it's not possible that Kalona spit on you.
You ask : " How long does one tolerate an unruly child before he's sent to his room without dinner? "
....well, in my own experience if one mom come to ask me this, i will say that is good to know WHY the child is an unruly, what happens arround, what troubles he have, what changes arround his life.
To summarize, I need to discover the reasons, why the child is having this unruly behavoir. Is not the solution sent to his room without dinner.
THE SOLUTION IS DISCOVER THE CAUSES, and after put some limits, but if you dont bring food, maybe the anger will be worst.
To have hungry is a Primal Instinct, maybe react like more primitive, and he want to eat you !! (please smile)
I understand that everybody have a different "way" to heal , and i say different, not better or worse, i share this with you with all my love,
not like a "good example" , like a different example to see the "things", sometimes just move a little the angle about our point of view , make a big difference , tu us, and to the whole world.
And i apreciate your good intentions, and maybe Kalona find the peace in his spirit, to fly so far, and meet his love that is inside.
Maybe one day i will need some help, and maybe need boths, together, working like a team.
Please, learn about eachother, respecting our differences, like a team.
Ahhhh...! i have more news to you , i like to be a "rebel novice" , but i am in this path at least 16 years, and i don't like write my curriculum, or degrees. I know it's all about put in practice, at first with me, before to be ready for others, and because i know knowledge is not wisdom.
In fact , like i wrote you in my previous post , i "have in mind" to be a student forever, and to not make assumptions....please smile ; )
The path of the Love nevers ends,
NAMASTE
GAiA
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 7:41 PMHi "G A I A". You are right on many points and looking back at the post I feel that mentioning Charles Manson was probably a bit obnoxious. It was the first thing that came into my mind and I should have thought about it more before making that analogy. However, in my world when someone is offended they have to say so so that I can make amends and make things right. Yes, Kalona asked for my help. I was praying for him at his request. I don't want to mention any specifics out of respect but, he doesn't seem to understand what spiritual balance is all about and I feel that he used me. I'm not offended to any great extent but, if he one day realized that his actions were less than brotherly and offered an apology, I would be happy. I would never help someone without consent. In my opinion, that would be immoral. The difference between a child and Kalona is that he has the capability to understand what I'm saying. He decided he didn't agree with it. He did not do so with respect. He showed contempt and essentially called me a fraud. Also, when making statements on this tribe a person has to understand that people will react. We react by giving our own thoughts on the matter and that is a form of service. I often take an hour or more composing what I write on this tribe. I do it because I care and want to see people living meaningful lives. Huna saved my life and I've passed on that blessing to others as often as I can sometimes losing sleep over it. I absolutely adore your compassionate nature. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 10:38 PMsorry i used the word services.. i did not mean to offend. i can see that i should have thought better before i wrote that. i mean the utmost respect. i do not call myself a healer.. though i do help people from time to time.. the healing seems to come from within them with help of a few allays at times. it seems that healing occurs when a person is ready for it. i hope to god that your not implying that i'm a whore? perhaps its just the way it layed out on the page.
cheers.. much love.,
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