Learning To Become God

topic posted Mon, June 29, 2009 - 10:13 PM by  kahuna Lamaku
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I am immortal. I am a spirit inhabiting a body. I have no name. My name belongs to my body and that is mortal. Every living thing is a nameless spirit. We call a tree a tree so there is no confusion when it needs to be identified for some useful purpose. Words allow us to fool ourselves and become arrogant while experience has the capacity to instill humility. We say that a person is a doctor or a thief when in fact all they can be is human and male or female. There is no such thing as a doctor. There is a person who practices medicine. There is no such thing as a thief. There is a person who chose to steal something.


What is the purpose of human life? I believe we can better understand that by determining the meaning of the words human and God. "Hu" was a pronoun for the divine presence, going back to ancient Hebrew texts so, the word human essentially means “divine man”. The original spelling of human is “humane”. I believe that humans become more humane as they grow wise over lifetimes which eventually leads to graduation and deification. Humans become angels and angels represent the highest degree of humanity. They also develop other virtues that depend on their humanity to blossom. They are compassion (aloha), righteousness (pono), service (malama) and a few others. The word God was originally spelled Gud and also meant “good” so, good and God are interchangeable words. Many of us believe that we become angels and/or go to heaven after we die. If this is true, then what is it we accomplish by doing so? Do we sit in heaven and watch God like we would mountain scenery? No way. That is a pass time for the weary not the inspired. Angels have free will just as humans do. Do you think a god-like being would just sit around when there are people to love and serve? Not likely though, they are blocked by a person’s free will. They will not help unless asked and don’t expect them to explain that to you. That would violate your free will to be ignorant.


What happens to humans that polarize to this process? They start to lose their humanity, fall into darkness and take pride in making other people miserable. They chastise others, find faults, steal, threaten, etc. They feel alone in the world while surrounded by people, that nobody understands them or wants to try and they have no real friends because they don’t really feel that they can trust anyone because they themselves are untrustworthy. Evil people think that everyone is capable of as much evil as they are and tend to malign the acts of others. They are suspicious and cynical. They may be thoughtful but, they are never truly generous.

As a spirit you have a choice to learn to develop a compassionate heart or an intellectual mind. One will make a difference to your immortal life and the other will help improve your mortal life. I suggest you don’t forsake either one but, to concentrate on developing compassion at an early age because that will stay with you and bring the one thing into your life that everyone wants and that is appreciation. That’s not to say that everyone will show you appreciation but, on a spiritual level they will remember you. The fight between good and evil is a fight between caring and not caring. Everyone without exception is along for the ride to becoming a humble enthusiastic servant of the light or an arrogant dismissive miser who takes pleasure in seeing others suffer and fail. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
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  • Re: Learning To Become God

    Tue, June 30, 2009 - 11:46 AM
    I respect your belief system...but I don't want to be God. I believe in a higher power..we natives call it Great Mystery as we do not try to understand our Great Mystery nor do we wish to anthropormorpharize it.
    In my tradition..I am an qanimal and human..but just as much as part of nature as a rock or a tree.
    I respect diiferences in spiritual paths..viva la difference eh? as long as someone does not force theirs on me or others.
    So I respect your choice..if that is what works for YOU!
    peace
    • Re: Learning To Become God

      Tue, June 30, 2009 - 12:46 PM
      I don't think you can learn to be something if you already are that thing.

      who is to say that we aren't already god.
      • Re: Learning To Become God

        Tue, June 30, 2009 - 7:00 PM
        Hi Takeshi. A baby learns to become an adult over time. Huna teaches that we are immature gods that time and experience will hone into beings of unfathomable kindness that no longer need to incarnate. I am not as human as Mother Theresa or even my teacher, Lani. They were ahead of me. I do know that I am more human than I was a child. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
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          Tue, June 30, 2009 - 8:11 PM
          in this respect i believe we are in agreement. we are already gods, just terrible at it! :P
          we need to leanr to be better at being us.
          this is can agree with.

          god made man in his own likeness. i don't believe this is a physical trait rather, we are godlike in our nature. how are we most different from animals? self awareness. sentience.
          it's like if you write a story in your mind, the characters don't know what each other think, but the mind that created them knows. it kows everything. and it knows all of the entire timeline of the story. but the characters only know what happens one moment after the previous. in their linear timeline.
          if the character knew it was a character and knew that it was my creation and it could speak to me... ask me about its future and past. ask me what the other characters are thinking, etc.
          • Re: Learning To Become God

            Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:23 PM
            Hi Takeshi. Thank you for the supportive comment. I appreciate it. I suspect people that become perfect disappear in a flash of light. I'll wait. Mistakes are fun unless I'm driving. Also, I want to bring some better stories back to the dreamworld than the ones I have now so, I'll keep my job of breathing going for a while longer. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
            • Re: Learning To Become God

              Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:44 AM
              I feel the same.
              I have heard a lot of talk about abandoning the ego and transcending and all that stuff.. I have thought about it and i do not want perfection. I do not want ultimate enlightenment. I want this imperfect world. I want this humble existence.
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                Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:40 AM
                Why does everyone want to abandon their ego these days? All I hear from wannabe shamans/psychonauts is 'I have to destroy my ego', and 'I'm using drugs to subdue my ego'...

                Whats the point? The ego is a gift, it is, as Wayne Dyer says, your Earth Guide Only. It is not of use for that which does not pertain to this earth (aka spirit), but for navigating the world around us it is your best friend. Maybe people are trying to rid themselves of it because they inflate it and conflate it with their spiritual experiences, using terms like god to massage it and tell themselves they're somehow greater or separate from everything else.

                Our incarnation in this existence is a blessing, and our egos are our guides. I'm convinced my mission in this existence is to learn how best to be me, and to use the tools I've been given to live as full and fulfilling a life as I can this time around...
                • Re: Learning To Become God

                  Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:46 AM
                  Nick, I agree with you..if anyone knew about the human psychy ..we would die without ego..it is connected to survival. I personally don't believe in Huna and defiantely don't believe it is cousins with Native American spirituality at all...but what do I know I am native..lol..listen to a white guy..reminds me of the old prejudice people.."I know a black person" lol..everyone meets a native american or two and suddenly is an expert..oh well to each their own. Kahuna has big ego..1st he calls hiself Kahuna..there is that and second..he posted this..He is GOD..that is ego at it;s finest.
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                    Re: Learning To Become God

                    Wed, July 1, 2009 - 4:50 PM
                    Kalona with all due respect to you, to say that this man is ego tripping by saying he is God is missing the whole point. I think the point is quite the opposite in fact. This man realizes his own divinity and has realized his own truth and is quite happy to share with us which I find an honor. I suggest that you may be confused by this mans message and if you can really listen to his words(not the name of his race) through your own heart it will become clear. I pray that you will become more understanding of this fellow and others with whom you disagree, perhaps direct your own thought process to newer and better horizions as a result. win-win. I think his heart is in the right place.

                    But alas it not my intention to defend or take sides.. just be fair and try to point in the direction of truth.
                    • Re: Learning To Become God

                      Wed, July 1, 2009 - 6:30 PM
                      all of us are god-i am god--and co-creator of the present--the godhood in me has been awake for quite a while--i am no better and no worse than anyone ---just aware of my divinity--and yours--++++
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                    Re: Learning To Become God

                    Wed, July 1, 2009 - 9:22 PM
                    Hi Kalona. All I want to do is help people who are searching for what I have. This is a tribe to discuss shamanism and related subjects. What better place to insert inspiring information? You are telling me that you don't care and are uninspired by it. I don't remember asking what you believed in or if you approved of what I believe. I couldn't care less what anyone believes in. I care about them as a living being and as a spirit on a journey of exploration. I've done my best to give people here some hope that they can take their lives in their own hands and improve it by being compassionate, being hospitable, being righteous in their actions, etc. When you support the world the world supports you back in some way. Support a plant with water and you might end up with a meal if your timing is right. I'm an ordained minister of my church. We use the term Kahuna. Their choice not mine. I've told you that before. It sounds to me as though you need to ground yourself and tune out the chatter for a while from your own head. You sound stressed out. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
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                      Wed, July 1, 2009 - 9:36 PM
                      kahuna .,.,respect and greetings--you have been inspiring me and have shown tremendous insight and compassion.,these are trying times and its kind of hard to keep blessing the present.,when some energys are just resisting alighnment and taking our blessings away by not sharing and loving people for being--this road is long,and im sure glad your here (;o}~
                • Re: Learning To Become God

                  Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:48 AM
                  Recognizing and dissolving the ego is a first step in recognizing the spirit.
                  Then you can work with it, because then you know what has formed the ego/ your ego.
                  Breaking down and building up again.
                  People who are breaking with their ego, are breaking with past trauma.
                  Breaking with habit and reinventing themselves.
                  If you say your ego is great, you have not been traumatised.
                  Or you are truely great, or just overreact in unwillingness of the spirit.
                  .
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                    Re: Learning To Become God

                    Wed, July 1, 2009 - 12:03 PM
                    A lot of people read, but don't understand.
                    A lot of people hear, but don't listen.
                    A lot of people look, but they don't see..
                    A lot of people eat, but don't taste..
                    A lot of people sense, but they don't experience.

                    If you ever purged emotionally, physically .
                    If you ever vomited souls.
                    If you had your spirit shot through the top of your head.
                    If you have died hundred deaths..
                    If you ever talked to a god.

                    You will experience...
                    .. way differently...
                • Re: Learning To Become God

                  Wed, July 1, 2009 - 1:27 PM
                  Hi Nick. Huna uses the term loosely because it doesn't correlate precisely enough to what the conscious mind is all about. From Wikipedia; "The rational ego attempts to exact a balance between the impractical hedonism of the id and the equally impractical moralism of the super-ego; it is the part of the psyche that is usually reflected most directly in a person's actions. When overburdened or threatened by its tasks, it may employ defense mechanisms including denial, repression, and displacement." People without egos are called children. The ego or conscious mind starts to develop 6-7 years of age and stops at about 12 years of age. Children, having no egos, are more vulnerable to spirit thus the bible commandment "seek ye first the kingdom of heaven". Doing so can result in a positive humiliating experience that encourages humility and humbleness that stays with a person a lifetime. A strong spiritual experience is a life changing event especially to one without a conscious mind or ego. Meeting God is scary. I'm sure some people have crapped their pants as a result. So, evidently, their are people who want these strong spiritual experiences and think they have to somehow kill their ego to get it. That, of course, is not the case. The subconscious is the one that speaks with God. A good person needs to get rid of guilt complexes by making amends in order to feel deserving of God's presence. More on this later if people want to talk about it. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
    • Re: Learning To Become God

      Tue, June 30, 2009 - 4:23 PM
      but rocks and trees are silent in their wisdom. difference.
      • Re: Learning To Become God

        Tue, June 30, 2009 - 6:24 PM
        Jason love that reply..love it..bowing on my knees to you..peace.
        And wher is the female aspect in being GOG/ what about the goddess?
        You know Yaweh in the old testimate had a female wife..but she was written out years later....without the female aspect we are truly lost..love the trees and rocks..maybe more than people
        • Re: Learning To Become God

          Tue, June 30, 2009 - 6:26 PM
          Kahuna..you practice the hawain tradition right..and yet there were gods and dodesses..so does Huna not honor hawain tradition..or has it been altered to fit modern..excuse me post modern views and such?
          Yes I am a tree hugger, a punch a wolf, a rock, a tree a piece of dirt..and I love it..a creative force and a destructive force..can you seperate "GOD" from Nature?
          • Re: Learning To Become God

            Tue, June 30, 2009 - 7:24 PM
            Hi Kalona. Huna has never been a Hawaiian practice. Ho'omana is what the natives would say when asked about worship. It means "to make power"(through breathing). When the Hawaiian people saw the missionaries pray without breathing they laughed at them and called them ha'ole which means "without breath". Today ha'ole is used as an insult to describe non-Hawaiians. Huna is a blossom of the ancient religion. Our official year of birth was 1872. We do not worship the same gods and have other differences as well. Also, God cannot be separated from anything. There is nothing but God and empty space in the universe. We make up the little pieces of the puzzle that is God. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
        • Re: Learning To Become God

          Tue, June 30, 2009 - 6:34 PM
          isn't god 'non-gender specific'? i thought divinity was beyond simple gender specifications... god/ goddess is the same to me. ?? for me divinity lives within everything and everyone. within every molecule of everything... that's how it feels anyways.. i could be wrong though.. i am always open to learning and listening to a new way or thought about life.
          • Re: Learning To Become God

            Tue, June 30, 2009 - 7:39 PM
            Hi memengwaa. God is a generic term. Gods can be female or male; the god of the sun is known as Wi and the goddess of the moon is known as Hanwi to the Sioux. There is the Mother Mary that heals people at Lourdes France and the archeangel Michael that defends the faithful and the Catholic church. Huna believes that the Aumakua or guardian angel is of dual nature. It is a male and female spirit in eternal embrace; the culmination of what is understood to be the soulmate. The soulmate is the other half of your soul. It is not another person as many people have described it. Soulmates are kept apart during their incarnations to prevent a slowing down of the learning process. People don't need to learn to get along with themselves. I met a woman at the Rainbow Gathering in California in 1984. I looked at her and instantly knew her name was Joe and she knew my name was Eric though we had never met before. We went over how we could have met. I could never have happened. I speculate that she might be my soulmate. Who really knows? By the way, in 1984 I didn't know squat about spirituality. Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
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        Tue, June 30, 2009 - 7:09 PM
        Hi Jason. I know of a grove of trees that are in death defiance. The grove is over 400 years old and none of the trees have blossomed in recorded history. The trees normally live for about 80 years, if I remember correctly. The exact information is not for public consumption. Sorry. When my teacher, Lani, became a medicine man the pine trees surrounding him and a dozen boy scouts started to sing with human voices. We assume a lot based on science. A shamanistic approach is more dynamic and involves testing and communication. Medicine men talk to plants and they sometimes give them ways to treat disease. Maybe the plant spirits evolve because of that service. Who really knows? Aloha, Kahuna Lamaku.
        • Re: Learning To Become God

          Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:09 PM
          Hi kahuna. I just wanted to make sure everyone keeps their sense of humor amidst all the overly serious debate. and yes I too have direct experience that trees and plants and rocks too have consciousness and also I am divine and eternal. Cheers!
          • Re: Learning To Become God

            Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:17 PM
            Hi Jason. Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Give my regards to Oregon for me. I lived in Eugene and Portland for about 6 years. I miss Mt. Hood especially. Peace, Kahuna Lamaku.
          • Re: Learning To Become God

            Tue, June 30, 2009 - 10:29 PM
            i appreciate your post jason. i too have sat with nature and have felt communioun and have communicated amongst rocks, trees and plants as well... i have felt their consiousness as they feel mine...

            ;^) it was very simple and beautiful..
    • Re: Learning To Become God

      Tue, June 30, 2009 - 6:49 PM
      Hi Kalona. I know of no native American teaching that contradicts anything Huna teaches. They are close cousins and my Kahuna, Lani, was known on several reservations in the 1960's as a medicine man and Rocky Boy dancer. However, Huna is more in line with theomorphism; the giving of divine qualities to humans. We postulate that our personal connection to the divine, the Aumakua or guardian angel has human qualities as well which is anthropomorphic but, that is really not what we talk about or find important. As humans we are concerned with humans and what is happening to us as we mature as a spirit. White Buffalo Calf woman appeared as a woman when she gave the sacred pipe to the Sioux. How is that not anthropomorphic? A buffalo gave itself to Black Elk so that his family wouldn't starve. That is a human quality called compassion and is anthropomorphic as far as I can tell. Bodies change to adapt to their environment. You can believe that the spirit is stagnant and doesn't learn if you want to. I don't see how that belief can serve you as a spirit but, that is your choice. Huna is a set of belief systems that have been tested and used in Hawaii under different circumstances for thousands of years. I'm happy if you find something else that floats your boat. However, there isn't really a reason to tell me that. Belief has no value in and of itself. I do not value Huna at all. It is a set of beliefs that allow me to make a choice. When I love someone and heal them I feel appreciated as a spirit. I feel their Aumakuas respect and appreciation and often the person I work on gives me some love as well. I've had some very profound experiences that have made great differences in my life. That is where I place value; in life. The reason I posted this is because it changed my life almost immediately for the better. I never understood why I was alive and was angry at the thought of dying. I still fear the process but, I'm at peace with it. Cheers, Kahuna Lamaku.

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