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what happens to the spirit of a plant when it is cut off from its source - does a mango hold the same spirit once it has been picked from its tree?
is the answer clearly 'yes' otherwise using dried herbs would be pointless in folk magic right?
thanks!
is the answer clearly 'yes' otherwise using dried herbs would be pointless in folk magic right?
thanks!
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 3:39 AMI believe that WE are all fruits separated from our Source.
With time, we return to The Source.
Yet we still have some tiny spark of magik in us...
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 9:47 AMThe spirit is the same' just the physical reflections that differ' man and plant the same' just in a different step of evolution'
Cut the plant the spirit/essence remains'
Bliss!
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 10:00 AMokay. does that go for dried herbs too? or cooked vegetables? -
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:03 AMYes dried herbs also' as long as they are collected and dried correctly'
Cooked vegtables also' as long as you no overcook em' and also drink the water you boil em in'
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:13 AMso the spirit of a boiled vegetable is contained in the water always?
and what is the correct way to collect and dry a herb?
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:23 AMso the spirit of a boiled vegetable is contained in the water always?
Yes' think Ayahuasca here' the spirit/essence is in the plant' the plant is enfused in the water!
and what is the correct way to collect and dry a herb?
Offerings must be given' also the plant must be asked of to allow you to cut it' the correct time/season/phase of Sun and Moon must be chosen' then the herbs to be dried must be cared for as living entities'
They must be kept seperate from each other'
The plants are then dried or cured to maintain their potency'
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:31 AMokay :D
so sorry to be asking yet another question but does what you're saying mean that Bach flower remedies could be potent? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach...r_remedies
it says "the remedies contain a very small amount of flower material in a 50:50 solution of water and brandy" but taking into consideration the holographic nature of stuff would that very small amount be as powerful as ingesting 'more'? -
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 3:29 PMHomeopathic doses' can be more powerful than large doses' this has somit to do with the immune system'
Small amounts of alks/plant essences' trigger subtle responces' thesesubtle responces work in synergy' where as some large doses of the same plant can have negative responceses with the immune system'
Also homeopathic doses set up "opposite" effects' of which triger the immune system to "counter" said effect'
Hence stimulated other responces that work in sysnergy in the selected path of "plant healings"
Poisons can be used in the same way' in miniscule doses' to trigger an immune responce' hence boosting the bodies own ability to fight the said poison in higher doses'
Bliss!
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 7:15 PMI experienced this recently.
the fruit is a gift from the mother.
the fruits holds the warmth of the mother still. it is a gift of life.
it is like an extension of the plant, it is still connected until it is let go.
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Re: when a plant is separated
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 10:57 PMAll substances are benign at some concentration, poison at another, and medicine at another.
Even air, water, sugar, sunlight... but especially plants.
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Re: when a plant is separated
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 12:09 AM>it is like an extension of the plant, it is still connected until it is let go. <
and to phrase it differently, what methods or actions are sure to separate the plant body from its spirit?
is there any time a spirit willingly leaves a plant? such as in death? if so, would finding an old dried up rosemary plant in a drought mean it was without its spirit?
(this is all about vibrations and frequencies right?) -
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Re: when a plant is separated
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 12:47 AM(this is all about vibrations and frequencies right?)
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Re: when a plant is separated
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 12:49 AMIn my opinion
it is best to choose produce closest to it's source.
If you can be it's source, all the better!~
You can control all that goes in, including vibrations and intentions.
Even some basil on your kitchen windowsill can make a difference in your life... -
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Re: when a plant is separated
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 1:38 AMyea indoor plants rock :D
not much edible stuff in my yard.. rosemary, mint, thai coriander and basil.. some roses (i used to eat them when i was a kid but not so anymore)
so then what about the spirit of the chamomile in tea bags from the supermarket? -
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Re: when a plant is separated
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 1:44 AMGood :))) Relaxing !
Bliss!
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Re: when a plant is separated
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 3:22 PM>>>if so, would finding an old dried up rosemary plant in a drought mean it was without its spirit?
I'm not sure,
I experienced this with a papaya fruit that had been in my room slowly ripening about a week.
the fruit was still pretty much intact.
but i think the same applies to any thing.
I think the spirit stays with a fruit, or leaf or any part of a body as long as it serves that purpose. so as long as a fruit is a fruit, it retains it's fruit spirit. which is that of the gift from the mother.
if you take the leaf of the plant and you intend it for drying and then use as part of a ceremony, that spirit takes on that form and stays with it until it is let go. it will be let go when it satisfies it's purpose. -
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Re: when a plant is separated
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 12:47 AMNicely put Takeshi'
Blessings
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Re: when a plant is separated
Thu, October 8, 2009 - 11:06 PMi agree with all of u.... many blessings... u all r so beautiful.... it is a part of sight, sense and intuition that u can use to sense whether a dried plant that u have come across still holds some or it's spirit or 'essence'..... simple things like it's colour.... most plants that r green generally.... if they look brown... r no longer holding that essence. i think that is common sense though. a year to store the dried plant on a shelf protected form moisture, air and light... as long as it has been respected and harvested properly is the maximum that they hold their medicinal essence for.... generally speaking again... (some r definately good for longer) some plants u just need to look at and 'sense' and listen with more than your ears.. 'intuit'... and u will probably know when it has passed it's best and it's spirit has moved on.
i prefer to work with fresh plants and to sing to them and or harvest them with reverence, appreciation and intention... knowing that they r sentient beings... simply spending time over the years... sittting with them and listening... asking if u can harvest them and asking them to communicate with u. always thanking them and giving them something, even a token in honour... before harvesting them shows the greatest respect. there is a lot to be learned in those regards.... but it doesn't take much... just a keen yearning to know and learn and a good sense of listening and seeing that reaches a little bit beyond the normal definitions of those senses.. intuitive at first... until they outright reach out to u! ;^)
i call it spending the time to really hear... and listen.
about the chamomile tea bags in the grocery store.... i learned my lesson with those.. what do u think? i should've know better... a few years ago... the chammomile i grew would've never given me the allergic reaction that i experienced from the supermaket ones... just think! how were they harvested and grown? with what chemies? with any kind of spiritual acknowedgement? what kind of pesticides were sprayed on them? perhaps nun. i dunno... your better off with whatever grows in your garden or as a weed anywhere else as long as pesticides haven't been sprayed and too many dogs have peed on them.... if u live in the city if your lucky enough to have a good herbal store which can be hard to find... the herbs and medicines should be of good quality... look healthy.. not too far off from what they look like when they're fresh... not older than a year dried shelflife... and humanely (plant wise) harvested with respect in a non pesticide or chemically polluted area. they should be stored in amber jars in the store or... at least protected from sunlight and be in sealed containers.
sorry i've totally rambled....
that's my view anyways
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Re: when a plant is separated
Fri, October 9, 2009 - 1:59 AMwonderful. thanks to you all for sharing your wisdom and advice.
me, i have had a few experiences with plant life but on the whole i don't (give nearly enough time to) hear them, though i do let them know when i want to take some with me, assuring it i value it, and thanking it.
i'm curious - has anybody ever been declined by a plant? and are there many plants reputed to be best left alone? -
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Re: when a plant is separated
Fri, October 9, 2009 - 5:56 AMHi, CALI,
Yep, I have been declined by a plant many times! Usually, they direct me to another nearby....but once in a while, they will say "no" and let me know it's not a good idea, PERIOD. This is usually because the plant needs to establish itself in the area, and needs all of its life energy for its own reasons.
I'd say, for me, this happens about 10-20% of the time.
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