The Being

topic posted Sun, September 20, 2009 - 11:25 PM by  offlineben
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Hello to all.

Many people who ingest Entheogens have seen the Light.

Some have felt an awareness of the presence of a Being that is the Entheogen.

A few, with very strong amounts, have seen clearly that the Entheogen is a Being.

E.g., the Spirit of Mescaline (Peyote) has been called "Mescalito", and many of the Native American Church believe in this Being and Pray to Them and worship Them as a Deity, (myself included).

I as wondering if any of you have seen or somehow become aware of this Being?
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  • Re: The Being

    Mon, September 21, 2009 - 6:25 AM
    oh yeah.,ive had a few conversations with mescalito--.,
    it told me to clean up my act--allmost in those exact words
  • Re: The Being

    Mon, September 21, 2009 - 6:52 AM
    As far as I know, the use of the term mescalito to refer to a spirit of peyote is an innovation by Carlos Castaneda. I have never heard the term used in the Native American Church.

    If I am wrong about this, I apologize for my ignorance, and I would be grateful for a referral to a source that corrects me.

    -- Steve
    www.singingtotheplants.com/
    • Re: The Being

      Mon, September 21, 2009 - 12:00 PM
      Don Juan Matus, said to be Castaneda's teacher in the use of peyote, uses the name "Mescalito" to refer to an entity that purportedly can be sensed by those using peyote to gain insight in how to live life well, but only if Mescalito accepts the user.

      "Mescalito" is a creation in Castanedas books in the 1970's

      Bliss

      Nobu +
    • Re: The Being

      Mon, September 21, 2009 - 3:06 PM
      I've had conversations with Mescal. Is that similar?
      • Re: The Being

        Mon, September 21, 2009 - 3:46 PM
        There are two substances called mescal.

        The first is the mescal bean (Calia spp.), which is very toxic. One bean is enough to cause nausea, seizures, and death. It may -- or may not -- have been used at one time as a hallucinogen and in divination. Mescal beans share a southwest US and Mexico range with the peyote cactus. Mescal beans are now sometimes worn on a string as an amulet.

        The second is mescal or mezcal, which is a distilled spirit made from agave or maguey plants, succulents in the family Agavaceae. This is the famous drink with the worm in it. The undistilled fermented sap of the agave is called pulque. In Nahuatl, the distilled drink is mexcalli -- hence mescal.

        My guess is that Richard may have had interesting conversations with this mescal.

        The primary psychoactive alkaloid of the peyote cactus (Lophophora williamsii) is called mescaline. I have no idea why it was called this instead of, say, peyotine. My guess is that there was some confusion with the active constituent of the mescal bean, which is called cytisine.

        Although Carlos Castaneda did a lot of reading, he tended to get some details wrong, especially about how to live in the Sonoran desert. His apparent creation of the mescalito spirit seems to me to fall in the error category.

        Again, if anyone can provide me with any references to the contrary, I would be happy to hear about it. Being right is fun, but it is less fun than learning something new.

        -- Steve

        www.singingtotheplants.com/
        • ben
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          Re: The Being

          Mon, September 21, 2009 - 7:05 PM
          Steve wrote:

          > As far as I know, the use of the term mescalito to refer to a spirit of peyote is an innovation by Carlos Castaneda.
          > I have never heard the term used in the Native American Church.

          > If I am wrong about this, I apologize for my ignorance, and I would be grateful for a referral to a source that corrects me.

          Originally, the Native American Church was said to believe that the Spirit of Peyote is a Being, (although many today seem
          to not think this.) But prayers are directed to Peyote.

          I didn't mean to imply that the members of the Native American Church call this Spirit "Mescalito" although some may. I was mentioning
          Mescalito as another example of people believing that the Spirit of Peyote is a Being.
          • Re: The Being

            Fri, September 25, 2009 - 6:33 PM
            there's been a coupIe times for sure when i've experienced mushrooms as it's own entitiy after ingesting them. the first time it feIt Iike this being inside of me and when i opened my mouth it came out thru my mouth and entered the room that i was in. it feIt Iike it was inside and outside of me... everywhere... pretty amazing and reveaIing to the fact that the sacred mushroom is in itseIf it's own spirit entity. i have great respect for these teachers.. ;^)

            meme
            • ben
              ben
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              Re: The Being

              Fri, September 25, 2009 - 10:55 PM
              pick wrote:

              > oh yeah.,ive had a few conversations with mescalito--.,
              > it told me to clean up my act--allmost in those exact words

              Is there more to this? I'd be interested in hearing the whole story.
              • Re: The Being

                Fri, September 25, 2009 - 11:22 PM
                I got in between an argument with some mushrooms, some beetles, and some sequoia's the last time I hung out with the hongitos. Talk about people needing to work something out!
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                  Re: The Being

                  Sun, September 27, 2009 - 11:20 AM
                  If it's alive it has a voice. What's not alive?
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                    Re: The Being

                    Mon, November 9, 2009 - 1:09 AM
                    Everything of conciousness percieved is alive'

                    Bliss!

                    Nobu +
                    • Re: The Being

                      Mon, November 9, 2009 - 3:31 AM
                      i had read a lot of casteneda.,and went to the sonora desert and connected with yaquis for some buttons.,
                      made tea and ate a few--
                      and i definetly felt a presence--in my mind i could hear a voice that said--i AM HERE.,
                      this alerted me to the fact--mayby i wasnt in control anymore.,
                      i relaxed and let it go--a long conversation went on--i guess i was talking to the saguaros or the sand--everthing had a voice at this point--
                      and after a while it was like i was with a good friend.,and it kept saying.,clean-up.,take inventory--clean-up
                      i like mescalito--i dont care what anyone says--mescalitos alive and well.,
  • Re: The Being

    Sun, September 27, 2009 - 7:43 PM
    My first time introduced to the light was on acid, but after that, I was able to reach through other methods that were better for my mind and body, such as meditation, fasting, and maturbation.
    • Re: The Being

      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 10:31 PM
      hahaha...the last is the most important one. lmao.
      • Re: The Being

        Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:49 AM
        i definitely believe in these plant spirits, some show up different for others. giving them a name is not of the importance. also i believe they communicate on a whole other level with sound, visions, sensations, vibrations. not buy having a simple ENGLISH conversation with you. "HEY HOW"S IT GOING THERE" type conversation or "YEAH YOU SHOULD STOP DOING THAT AND DO THIS" i think this is just your mind chatter, chattin it up with your ego, your subconscious, your unconscious. but when your communicating IN a supra-conscious state (when your really high) you are limitless with language. you are dealing with UNIVERSAL language or MOTHER EARTH'S language when working with these spirits. you are learning another language which is beyond the speaking tongue. this plant spirit is teaching your spirit, you are learning from it and it is learning from you. sometimes they know a little bit more about yourself then you do. maybe this why purging happens with some of these plant beings. it is like pressing the delete button on the computer to allow room for plant medicine download.

        speaking of amazonian plant medicine, this is why the dieta is so important. it is not just drinking ayahuasca. your body becomes this garden as you diet the many plants and learn their beautiful medicine. this way you are able to absorb more of the teaching and when it is time to call upon these particular plant spirits and their medicine to help, they will be their for you whether you are high or not. (when your ready your ready) and again this is just my belief, also this is what the plants had told me. hahaha

        many blessing

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