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I don't like spiritual Bullies..is this a problem? I would apreciate Real feedback..none from bullies

topic posted Fri, June 26, 2009 - 8:08 AM by  offlineKalonaposses... 		Share/Save/Bookmark
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this is not addressed to no one person..just something on my mind..the teacher is the student and the student is the teacher this I believe.
What works for some may not work with others..you have to have many spiritual diaplins at hand in understanding healing..because for some people they may not believe in your own spiritual disapline....You cannot insist..they do as you say and when you do not get the healing you desired to give..give up on the person because they don't do as you say like your a king Kahuna or a spiritual GOD/Goddess..above everyone else.
You have to adjust your healing to each individual..and that is the key.
Spiritual Bullies can be male of female but males have the biggest problem with this..give "Male Compition"
My belief is Native American..that does not mean I have not studied other spiritual disaplines....each has a value to be sure.
Being dominate in your spiritual Fundamentalist view of I am right..I know "GOD" whatever that "GOD" GODDESS" may be is no better than a Christian Fundamentalist that is unyielding and takes his christian teachings as valid truth..and if you do not as the preacher says..because he is "the word of God" lol..then your going to hell....except..I don't know too many Fundamentalist Preachers that give up or quit on people who come to them for help..I am sure they exist.Point is I hate the Spiritual Bullies..they have no place in the spiritual realm as healers..not until they have removed what egotistical blocks that might bar them from healing with comppassion love and forgiveness, patience and understanding..and THE MOST IMPORTANT..be able to adjust to each individual as each person is an individual.
This is what I believe..the ego has no place in healing!
Bullies have no place in healing..you cannot "tough Love" or Bully a sick person into healing..and if you can't heal them..then you should try harder adjust your wording and never Quit on a person.
This is what I believe, it is only my opinion and my opinion chages as I grow.
But a Bully is a Bully..a Bully is usually someone being bullied or has been bullied and must bully to take back their own personal power..well heal yourself before you take on "clients" patients that come to you!
Aloha, Chow, Namaste,dona dagohv
winochea, be well, and all other goodbyes..and blessings,
Peace,
Kalonasahaniwaya...do not alow yourself to be bullied..ever!
I ask that Takeshi,Seve, and Kahuna not post here..I will continually remove what you have to say until you stop bullying people..you don't even know your a bully do you..got something to say to me..don't post it here..message me...Robert..these people are not good members and in fact scare others from posting..they always bully!
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  • Boo
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    Re: I don't like spiritual Bullies..is this a problem? I would apreciate Real feedback..none from bullies

    Sat, June 27, 2009 - 6:57 PM
    Hi Kalona,What you see going on here is a group of pedantic, know-it-alls, who wrap themselves in blankets of false humility.

    Steve- and I think he is a nice guy- loves to cut loose with his parables of wisdom and keen insight into the spiritual world and his vast experience on the spiritual trail, and of course he uses as a shield comments like, "I am just trying to understand your point-of-view."; they are all (I am speaking of the core group) too overwhelmed by their sense of self-importance and runaway egos.

    CG has a problem with vitriol and clanking balls. He´s a really accomplished dude. He can be a pretty venomous character; Cosmically Crazy loves to talk prattle and double talk. I could name some more, but you know who they are.

    But you are correct: they love to gang up on anyone they deem unworthy of their powerful knowledge. And when they attack, they are like hyenas when they put people in their place. They can be quite unfriendly and caustic. They definitely consider themselves intellectually superior and spiritually advanced.

    What I have gained on this tribe are many insightful comments, but unless one follow a certain train of thought, they are there to put one in his/her place. They love to crow about their accomplishments, and oftentimes they love to quote, cite and opine about some arcana to which they are privy. I think they are trying to gain admirers and respect from whomever. Check out their profiles and you will see a mountain of male vanity.They have brought the concept of machismo to the tribe: Who has the biggest "spiritual balls"?

    One of the funniest things I have seen on this tribe is the intellectualism that they want to inject into the conversations. My belief , and I don´t push it on anybody, is that intellectualism has no place in Ayahuasca. To me Ayahuasca is something that is experienced and not intellectualized. It´s like the old saying goes: "Those who know don´t say; those who say don´t know".

    Ayahuasca is like a never-ending onion: peel away a layer, and you find another layer. And I truly feel that each ceremony only creates deeper mystery.

    I think the best approach for you is to realize that they are irascible, vainglorious guys who see themselves towering over the herd of neophytes. Please note that there are not many females in the hyena pack. Don´t let them get under your skin, with their brand of "bullying". You are as far down the road, if not more so, as any of them.

    I do love to be the fly on the wall though.
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    • Kalo...
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      Re: I don't like spiritual Bullies..is this a problem? I would apreciate Real feedback..none from bullies

      Sat, June 27, 2009 - 8:11 PM
      BOO! That is the most intelligent survey I have read thus far..and what is sad, is that these macho men scare away the women and others who do message me....but I am not the moderator..so I will take your advice :) and with a nod and a wink.
      Just like native Medicine men and Native elders..if their names are known..they are not the ones to seek out for answers.
      I have learned alot from you , even when you do not speak..your spirit does.
      Thanks,'
      Kalona'
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      • CG
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        Sat, June 27, 2009 - 8:36 PM
        You can pretend that what you're so upset with here, what you point to like a child in the schoolyard, is something you just ran into here by accident, or you can be honest, at least to yourself, that what you're seeing is what you always see. You already have these points of view. Your just marching around finding the proof of what you carry in your heart.

        You think by saying it's sad and funny that you're showing yourself to be in a superior place and are both amused and bothered by the little slow white people who pretend to be something their not, but really K, this is you being the Indian, the Real Deal who has the advantage of an ingrained genetic superiority that isn't sufficiently acknowledged by racially lessor and spiritually lessor imitators and want-to-bee's.

        You project what you carry inside you, as I do, as we all do, and If you think you've transcended all your ego and lower self tendencies your communication style and content ought to tell you differently.

        Love your neighbor K, for your own sake, because what you give is what you get, and when you understand that you'll be kinder to your self, and be experienced by others as the peace bringer your tribe name suggests you want to be.
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        • Takeshi
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          Sat, June 27, 2009 - 8:49 PM
          ]]]]You can pretend that what you're so upset with here, what you point to like a child in the schoolyard, is something you just ran into here by accident, or you can be honest, at least to yourself, that what you're seeing is what you always see.[[[[

          this is an interesting perspective.
          there is something that i think about, that we always search out the situation that we need most healing from.

          Kalona is a great guy but i feel perhaps has been treated unjustly in the past.
          well we all have in some sense, but i think some need to focus on it and work through it.
          I'm happy to help if i can.
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    • Takeshi
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      Sat, June 27, 2009 - 8:44 PM
      it is interesting to note though, that even if one were considered to be oppressive or to be 'one to be avoided', these people might teach us somthing if not directly or in the manner that they intend to.


      I always liked the phrase, the person who uses less words says more.
      usually the quietest person has the most wisdom and the person who shouts a lot of stuff a lot of the time is mostly shouting hot air.
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      • Takeshi
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        Sat, June 27, 2009 - 8:50 PM
        ha ha, I said a lot in this thread ^^;
        I guess you might like to call me a blimp then in future *blushes*
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        • CG
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          Sat, June 27, 2009 - 9:24 PM

          Cheers Takeshi.
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          • Kalo...
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            Re: I don't like spiritual Bullies..is this a problem? I would apreciate Real feedback..none from bullies

            Sun, June 28, 2009 - 11:11 AM
            Boo RULES..and the underdogs cheer by the billions..BOO! BOO! BOO! maybe you don't get his point..or maybe you took it personally but BOO! is real 100% no books or seations or new age trainers...BOO! is the real deal man!
            Boo! you rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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            • Kalo...
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              Re: I don't like spiritual Bullies..is this a problem? I would apreciate Real feedback..none from bullies

              Sun, June 28, 2009 - 11:14 AM
              Takeshe..I need to work on what? lol "Kalona is a great guy but i feel perhaps has been treated unjustly in the past.
              well we all have in some sense, but i think some need to focus on it and work through it.
              I'm happy to help if i can."
              I have worked through it as a person heals from an arrow wound as more arrows are shot into him..my defenses grow strong..sticks and stones may break my bones but names willnever hurt me." Boo! rules and that is my opinion..he can heal with his heart focused on you without a word or blood, or gift..he rules!
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              • Kalo...
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                Re: I don't like spiritual Bullies..is this a problem? I would apreciate Real feedback..none from bullies

                Sun, June 28, 2009 - 11:16 AM
                "You can pretend that what you're so upset with here, what you point to like a child in the schoolyard, is something you just ran into here by accident, or you can be honest, at least to yourself, that what you're seeing is what you always see. You already have these points of view. Your just marching around finding the proof of what you carry in your heart. "

                heresay..and mean hearted
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                • CG
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                  Mon, June 29, 2009 - 8:04 AM
                  To say that your responsible for the world you perceive, and that it's not the other way around isn't mean, from my perspective it's actually something a friend would say. It isn't an accusation, it's a possibility. I certainly feel like it's true, and so I'm sharing part of my truth, (not THE truth) which is something friends do with each other. I understand you see it differently K and that you don't see me as a friend. Looking to make progress toward a shared truth, or common ground is what I'm doing here.

                  I'm not really interested in defining our differences and what separates us, but instead in discovering where and how it's possible to stand in a shared truth, while honoring the different paths and experiences our lives have opened to us.
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                    Kalo...
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                    Mon, June 29, 2009 - 4:22 PM
                    peace on earth..a Christian tradition..and yet will there ever be peace on earth? I learned to respect peoples differences..and look for similarities..but if we were all the same with the same beliefs..how boring would that be? just a passing thought..what about no sexes (male/female)j ust one? how does that sit with you? Viva la differance
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                    • CG
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                      Mon, June 29, 2009 - 4:38 PM

                      Our cultural differences are part of the beauty of what we have to share with one another. Having those traditions and honoring them doesn't have to separate us, but can be instead what we share with each other. Common ground can be our willingness to honor each others differences.

                      But to look at the clear cultural differences between us as a tool to show how we're separate and at odds with each other is another thing entirely.

                      One is evidence for enmity, the other is a place to celebrate.
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                      • Kalo...
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                        Mon, June 29, 2009 - 7:50 PM
                        debunkingprimaltherapy.com/crit...cles/

                        why is the new age movement nearly 100% white? Do they always feel the need to dominance?

                        If we are experiencing the "rainbow tribe" then where is the color?

                        I agree to disagree..and hope to find solutions.

                        There is no short cut or quick fix in this reality. Just lessons you can get through with great difficulty or with grace under pressure.

                        This is a quick fix society with drive through spirituality...is this true or false?
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                        • Takeshi
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                          Mon, June 29, 2009 - 9:30 PM
                          [[[why is the new age movement nearly 100% white? Do they always feel the need to dominance? ]]]

                          why does a bear shit in the woods? because it can. white people believe in spiritual things because they can. black people who choose not to believe in these kinds of things do not believe because they can. black people who do believe do so because they can.
                          people follow whatever culture or religious believe or system or whatever... because they can. it's personal choice.
                          I don't see how anything here is a result of any kind of dominance (or oppression).

                          besides... 'new age' is old age. the spiritual belief system of the future is 'nothing' . or perhaps 'freedom'. people believe what they want. people are increasingly becoming restless with any type of system.
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                        • g'reg
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                          Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:39 AM
                          would you please answer this: would you prefer it if NO white people were spiritual and/or sensitive to their spiritual side?

                          how does a group of white new agers imply a need to dominate?

                          forgive me if I am reading you wrong, but I gather that you don't want white people to learn from your people at all. I'm not sure I understand this at all.

                          If you're going to throw stones at society, I would think that new agers would be really low on that list... I mean, jeez, it just seems way more obvious to attack sinister televangelists, mega-churches, politicians using spirituality as a rallying cry, hollywood, shopping mall culture, consumerism, etc etc etc. In the big picture, the new agers are small time. sure some of the "business" aspects of new age is just as lame as anything, but those individual people are truly trying to find meaning for their lives. why is that wrong to you?

                          again, forgive me if I get this all wrong. I really would like to understand your p.o.v. a lot more, and am truly trying.
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                          • Kalo...
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                            Re: I don't like spiritual Bullies..is this a problem? I would apreciate Real feedback..none from bullies

                            Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:22 AM
                            I would think the term "New Age" would refer to a balance in society and religion and in race..I merely pointed out that New Agers compriced mostly white in make up..wondering what is new age about that..it sorta claims spiritual dominance and superity or have I read posts and replys wrong?
                            Personally, to each their own..and unless it hurts someone or takes away someone elses freedom..I think it it fine if it works for those people..Persol note..I have had "new agers" tell me about how Natives should act..and they also romaticize and thus dehimanize..I think it is wrong to mess with someones comfort zones and I accidently without intent did that..so I leave this post as is and retreat from it.
                            I learned from it..now it simply repetes itself and so forth and so on...I respect others beliefs....more power to them..just want mine respected as well..peace
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                            • Takeshi
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                              Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:20 PM
                              personally, I would never describe myself as 'new age' but people who see me and listen to some of the things i might say, may decide to label me as 'new age' and then are putting me in with a crowd. now if this crowd of 'new agers' is being all tarred with the same brush, I feel like i am being unfairly judged.
                              well at the end of the day, remember that people are people. simple as that. if a person acts a certain way it's not because of certain beliefs that he/she may share with others. it's to do with who they are.
                              when you say "I have had "new agers" tell me about how Natives should act.", I feel that is an unfair statement and could be preferentaially modified to "I have had PEOPLE tell me about how Natives should act.". this should help to prevent discrimination.

                              if you really want to investigate possible reasons why these kinds of people seem to be predominantly white... it could be to do with culture. it's not about discrimination. why are most mainstream rappers black? culture, not discrimination. it just so happens that the culture that gives rise to this kind of thing seems to be in mostly black neighbourhoods. maybe.
                              anyhow.. the source of these white people, I would imagine is a rise in mentality from celtic cultures. germanic cultural mindset tends to breed mistrust due to the areas those societies inhabited. (scarcity of resources gave rise to backstabbing nature ) the celtic nature of the white man was prevalent in many individuals who would be welcoming and can have great influence and promote more trust. and this kind of cultural mindset will likely hold onto the traditions of old pagan beliefs. btw, this is where the ethnic group caucasion is come from.
                              this is why this is not really relevant to euro ethnic group like latino. and obviously, you have your culture more available to you, the native american culture is more recent and easily accessible... celtic culture is hard to learn because a lot of it is lost so when searching for their own culture, the white man needs to supplement the parts that are missing.
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